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Friday Feb 28, 2025
Friday Feb 28, 2025
What if you approached your career the same way you approach product management—strategically, iteratively, and with a clear roadmap?
In this episode of Product Chats, we’re joined by Kirsten Butzow, product leadership expert, to explore a structured, strategic approach to career management. Kirsten introduces a three-phase career framework—Do, Build, and Catalyst—each lasting approximately 10-12 years, guiding professionals through skill development, leadership growth, and long-term impact.
She explains how early career phases focus on honing skills and defining a niche, mid-career success depends on achieving through others, and later stages are about accelerating people, systems, and processes. Kirsten also shares why planning your exit isn’t a final step, but an integrated part of career growth at every stage.
Tune in for insights on managing your career with the same strategic mindset you apply to your products.
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